Comments on: The Blue-crowned Motmot complex could be split into five species http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/ Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:17:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: timmaz24s http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-395 timmaz24s Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:51:35 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-395 i think the trinidad motmot have to e studied some more for two reasons:- 1. the name bahamensis needs to be change to trinitatis. 2. the trinidad motmot from trinidad & tobago live in different habitats & the birds from tobago appear to be a little darker in colour than the ones from trinidad. i think the trinidad motmot have to e studied some more for two reasons:- 1. the name bahamensis needs to be change to trinitatis. 2. the trinidad motmot from trinidad & tobago live in different habitats & the birds from tobago appear to be a little darker in colour than the ones from trinidad.

]]> By: Jean Paul Perret http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-303 Jean Paul Perret Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:23:30 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-303 Hi Geoffrey, this is a very old recording from the Macaulay Library at Cornell made by David Snow in 1959! The link to the original file is here: http://macaulaylibrary.org/audio/6638 I looked at Xeno-Canto, but I couldn’t find any other recording for that species. If you have one recording maybe you can upload to Xeno-Canto? Thanks! Hi Geoffrey, this is a very old recording from the Macaulay Library at Cornell made by David Snow in 1959! The link to the original file is here: http://macaulaylibrary.org/audio/6638 I looked at Xeno-Canto, but I couldn’t find any other recording for that species. If you have one recording maybe you can upload to Xeno-Canto? Thanks!

]]> By: Geoffrey Gomes http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-302 Geoffrey Gomes Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:03:49 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-302 Hello, Since I have a special interest in the new SACC classification, I looked up and found your website. Very interesting, thank you, but Im afraid that the "Trinidad Mot Mot" call as played back here is incorrect. Could there be a technical problem with the recording? Because this call (nor any of the others btw) is not one of our birds. Geoffrey Hello,

Since I have a special interest in the new SACC classification, I looked up and found your website. Very interesting, thank you, but Im afraid that the “Trinidad Mot Mot” call as played back here is incorrect. Could there be a technical problem with the recording? Because this call (nor any of the others btw) is not one of our birds.

Geoffrey

]]> By: Jean Paul Perret http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Jean Paul Perret Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:44:35 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-249 Hi Bob, M. m. lessonni (Blue-diademed Motmot) ranges from NW Panama to southern Mexico, northwards it’s replaced by M. m. coeruliceps which is not part of the study published by Stiles. Hi Bob, M. m. lessonni (Blue-diademed Motmot) ranges from NW Panama to southern Mexico, northwards it’s replaced by M. m. coeruliceps which is not part of the study published by Stiles.

]]> By: Bob Behrstock http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-248 Bob Behrstock Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:50:50 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-248 Just a suggestion: Blue-crowned (Blue-diademed) Motmot can be seen by driving just a couple hours south of Texas, so citing its range as extreme southern Mexico is not correct. Thanks for the information, much appreciated. Just a suggestion: Blue-crowned (Blue-diademed) Motmot can be seen by driving just a couple hours south of Texas, so citing its range as extreme southern Mexico is not correct. Thanks for the information, much appreciated.

]]> By: Recent splits from the Neotropical Region | Neotropical Birding http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Recent splits from the Neotropical Region | Neotropical Birding Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:45:29 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-228 [...] splits from the Neotropical Region As was anticipated 5 months ago in another post, the South America Classification Committee (SACC) unanimously approved the proposal 412 splitting [...] [...] splits from the Neotropical Region As was anticipated 5 months ago in another post, the South America Classification Committee (SACC) unanimously approved the proposal 412 splitting [...]

]]> By: Jean Paul Perret http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Jean Paul Perret Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:43:17 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-149 Hola Andrés. Es un poco difícil dar una respuesta exacta a tu pregunta porque los límites entre las especies y subespecies de M. momota están en discusión aún. Puedes revisar este artículo que cito en el post de la revista Ornitología Colombiana para mas detalles (http://www.ornitologiacolombiana.org/oc8/Stiles.pdf). Saludos Hola Andrés. Es un poco difícil dar una respuesta exacta a tu pregunta porque los límites entre las especies y subespecies de M. momota están en discusión aún. Puedes revisar este artículo que cito en el post de la revista Ornitología Colombiana para mas detalles (http://www.ornitologiacolombiana.org/oc8/Stiles.pdf).

Saludos

]]> By: andres http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-147 andres Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:17:54 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-147 Hola como estan soy de colombia, es interesante ver la variedad de cantos, me gustaria saber barranquero coronado se le dice aca donde vivo en cali, en el río pance se puede ver pero no se exactamente como es ni que variedad hay, Cuantas especies de momotus momota hay en colombia? Hola como estan soy de colombia, es interesante ver la variedad de cantos, me gustaria saber barranquero coronado se le dice aca donde vivo en cali, en el río pance se puede ver pero no se exactamente como es ni que variedad hay, Cuantas especies de momotus momota hay en colombia?

]]> By: Gyorgy Szimuly (Szimi) http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Gyorgy Szimuly (Szimi) Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:53:50 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-25 Interesting. I think DNA analyzes are needed for splitting. Lets say it is a tendency for proposing splits or lumps. Szimi Interesting. I think DNA analyzes are needed for splitting. Lets say it is a tendency for proposing splits or lumps.

Szimi

]]> By: Jean Paul Perret http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/2009/11/04/the-blue-crowned-motmot-complex-could-be-split-into-five-species/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Jean Paul Perret Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:08:27 +0000 http://neotropicbirding.com/blog/?p=291#comment-22 Thanks! Glad you liked the post Scott. Right now the South American Classification Committee has to make a decision based on published data that rely on biometrics and song analysis. But I think, based on previous proposals, that genetic studies are more desirable for them to agree to split a species. You also have to take into account the fact that they previously lumped together two of the forms that are being discussed right now. Therefore, they are going to need compelling data to reverse their previous decision. I will update this story when a decision is made. Thanks! Glad you liked the post Scott. Right now the South American Classification Committee has to make a decision based on published data that rely on biometrics and song analysis. But I think, based on previous proposals, that genetic studies are more desirable for them to agree to split a species. You also have to take into account the fact that they previously lumped together two of the forms that are being discussed right now. Therefore, they are going to need compelling data to reverse their previous decision. I will update this story when a decision is made.

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